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Pikalicious
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Is there any chance the business model might change?

I like the idea of Stadia but my primary concern is the Battle-Pass-esque, stay-subscribed-and-stick-around subscription model being used on consumers.

This far, there have already been something like 14 games made free right, like 2 per month? And I know they (games) probably won't ever cycle back around to being free again, so me as a non-preorderer and avoider of the pro edition for the whole and complete launch am missing out on the only free game I care about, Gylt.

My point is, I dislike that if I were to get a pro edition, just so I could temporarily subscribe for the game I want that I would essentially only be able to play the game while I am subscribed. To me it's fishy, and a big reason I hate PS plus, that you tell me I can claim free games but secretly not so secret they are not free at all. I understand I can only claim them while I am subscribed, just like on XBL, but when you quit subscribing to Xbox Live you get to keep the games and play them whenever you want. No price trick forces you to keep up a subscription to play the game thus forcing you to add value to the community of gamers of the service, exactly in the way that battle passes keep up player counts for their games.

I just thought Stadia sounded so cool and great at first, but now I realize Google is just jumping in on an avenue for new money that they don't actually understand, nor do they care about the consumers here. I to say the least am disappointed.

 

I would certainly engage with Stadia if they dropped the oh you have to stay subscribed vampire mentality. Otherwise, I'm out forever.

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@Pikalicious : So what subscription model do you prefer?

If you don't like the subscription model currently available, and don't care about 4K or 5.1 sound, then just wait until the base edition is available, sign-up and then purchase Gylt.  No monthly costs or anything, just pick and choose the games that you want to play and purchase.

If however, you want 4K and/or 5.1 audio then you'll have to buy the subscription and get to take advantage of the offers available.

Also, nowhere has it been stated that a game that was previously on the Pro list and removed wont return to the pro list at a later point in time.

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Pikalicious
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ugly Subscription Model

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Is there any chance the business model might change?

I like the idea of Stadia but my primary concern is the Battle-Pass-esque, stay-subscribed-and-stick-around subscription model being used on consumers.

This far, there have already been something like 14 games made free right, like 2 per month? And I know they (games) probably won't ever cycle back around to being free again, so me as a non-preorderer and avoider of the pro edition for the whole and complete launch am missing out on the only free game I care about, Gylt.

My point is, I dislike that if I were to get a pro edition, just so I could temporarily subscribe for the game I want that I would essentially only be able to play the game while I am subscribed. To me it's fishy, and a big reason I hate PS plus, that you tell me I can claim free games but secretly not so secret they are not free at all. I understand I can only claim them while I am subscribed, just like on XBL, but when you quit subscribing to Xbox Live you get to keep the games and play them whenever you want. No price trick forces you to keep up a subscription to play the game thus forcing you to add value to the community of gamers of the service, exactly in the way that battle passes keep up player counts for their games.

I just thought Stadia sounded so cool and great at first, but now I realize Google is just jumping in on an avenue for new money that they don't actually understand, nor do they care about the consumers here. I to say the least am disappointed.

 

I would certainly engage with Stadia if they dropped the oh you have to stay subscribed vampire mentality. Otherwise, I'm out forever.

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@Pikalicious : So what subscription model do you prefer?

If you don't like the subscription model currently available, and don't care about 4K or 5.1 sound, then just wait until the base edition is available, sign-up and then purchase Gylt.  No monthly costs or anything, just pick and choose the games that you want to play and purchase.

If however, you want 4K and/or 5.1 audio then you'll have to buy the subscription and get to take advantage of the offers available.

Also, nowhere has it been stated that a game that was previously on the Pro list and removed wont return to the pro list at a later point in time.

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Re: ugly Subscription Model

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@Pikalicious : So what subscription model do you prefer?

If you don't like the subscription model currently available, and don't care about 4K or 5.1 sound, then just wait until the base edition is available, sign-up and then purchase Gylt.  No monthly costs or anything, just pick and choose the games that you want to play and purchase.

If however, you want 4K and/or 5.1 audio then you'll have to buy the subscription and get to take advantage of the offers available.

Also, nowhere has it been stated that a game that was previously on the Pro list and removed wont return to the pro list at a later point in time.

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FYI: 8 Pro Games have been made available since launch:

  1. November 2019
    1. Destiny 2
    2. Samurai Shodown
  2. December 2019
    1. Farming Simulator 19 PE
    2. Tomb Raider DE
  3. January 2020
    1. Rise of the Tomb Raider
    2. Thumper
  4. February 2020
    1. Metro
    2. Gylt
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Matt1
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@Pikalicious it sounds a bit like you are saying “hey Google, I only want to pay £9 once but have access to Gylt forever” - doesn’t sound like a very realistic request.

Google is a business and businesses are ultimately here to make money. I personally feel like google are providing a good value product in Stadia Pro for that money...but like @Mad_Dog_Bravo says, you could just take the free model when it starts and just buy the games you want....then you can play them whenever!

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Xevioso
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I'm trying to make my responses to posts like this more positive, so here goes.

Obviously, you're making a judgement on something you haven't even tried. So here's my suggestion. Wait until it's fully released, then try the free model, for which you'll probably have to buy a game or two since the "free" games come with the pro model. Or maybe by then Google will offer a new game or two in the free model so new members can try it out before they buy into the subscription. So wait until then, and try it out for free.

In the meantime, try some of the other services too if you are able to... Gforce now, Xcloud, whatever you can. THEN, AFTER YOU'VE ACTUALLY TRIED THE SERVICES, your comments and ideas will be more informed and more appreciated because people will know you're speaking from your experience and not just what you think something is like. 

But that's the only advice I can give. Try Stadia and even some other services before you give opinions on what you think is an "ugly" model. Because a lot of us who are using the service right now disagree with you and can't accept your thoughts, because you're basically telling us we're wrong in the way we're thinking,when you've never even tried it. 

 

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Anarchy
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I agree with @Xevioso. If you don't like the subscription model then don't buy into it. They offer free games for subscribers as an incentive, with even more being added monthly as another incentive to stay subscribed. Like you stated Xbox and PlayStation have a similar model, because it works.

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Whito
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Stadia's only bad point is the controller they give away with the cereal box.

 

It has damaged my experience with Stadia by 80%. Power without control is useless.

 

They have killed my illusion, I only hope that karma punishes the person responsible for the low investment in the manufacture of the controller.

 

I would not expect 4k soon in GeForce, RTX Titan 12000 USD would not make sense to exist.

 

When XBox, PS5 and other 4k streams arrive, Google will launch 8k and look at them in the rearview mirror again.

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Nilas
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@Pikalicious clearly you didn't understand the service and the subscription model. Gylt is still available to claim btw.

@Whito Can you elaborate what's wrong with the controller ? I like it personally.

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ARGAH
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On the controller thing mentioned mine the sticks are not smooth anymore they rigid and noisy, the triggers are too touch sensitive at times too meaning you will lightly touch left trigger by accident and go into ads mode when not meaning too.

 

Love the design and shape etc but sticks could be less rigid after a week or two of use and triggers could do with a slight deadzone.

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Emoeloe
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So, you are unhappy with the model because it doesn't let you pay less than what the game actually is priced at?

You make it seem like this is just a decision to make money, but you understand servers and streaming hardware aren't free right? And that developers actually want to make their money back as well? You expect to pay 1 time, and that should suffice the Google servers forever and also get Tequila Works their money?

You compare it to PS+ and XBL Gold, but do you realize these are fundamentally different services? Where PS+ and XBL give you free games, once you have claimed them the only support they have to give you is maybe the occasional re-download (as with both services you can't access multiplayer features with the free tier). With Stadia, you are playing the game on hardware that isn't in your control, which you didn't have to pay for. Where Microsoft only has to deal with a download, Google actually has to give you hardware access even after your free period. Surely you can think about how your 1 month of Stadia Pro doesn't cover your unlimited access to these resources right?

If you don't want to pay, that's fine. But don't make it seem like Google is pushing you away with their pricing, while in fact you are just looking for a way to exploit the system and pay as little as possible for a game. If you don't want a subscription, wait for Stadia Base (or if you already have Stadia don't resubscribe to Pro) and purchase Gylt. This way you don't have to get a subscription, but the developer gets the money they deserve (and you are unwilling to give them at this time)

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