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Your thoughts on Alex Hutchinson's tweets.

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Stadia seems to be trending on Twitter... and not for the right reasons. For those wondering, I attached the tweets below.

I disagree with his statements, as I see more benefits to the current model, in an ecosystem where developers benefit a lot from content creators(and vice versa)... Although, I can see a certain side where his argument does make sense. What do you guys think?

 

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Sheaffer117
Founder
Founder

He just shot the stadia community and a stadia brand in the foot. now it will be officially 10 times harder for Google to ever try to get Stadia to become a future of gaming. Alex needs to be fired immediately and Stadia needs to make an apology for his bad take and state that it does not endorse his opinion in any way shape or form

Sheaffer117
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Game
Founder
Founder

@Sheaffer117 

I believe firing him would be a bit too harsh. In addition his statement is definitely bias since he is a Developer, which I also believe is at the heart of the issue: his Twitter bio is a bit misleading. Because it sounds as though he is THE Creative Director at Stadia, which is not the case. He is a creative director for the Montreal Game studio that was acquired by Stadia. 

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dasFloh
Founder
Founder

If you are on a ship that is in trouble, and you are shooting in the hull.... sry but this is not the kind of troubleshooting stadia is looking for.

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Sheaffer117
Founder
Founder

Doesn't matter. when you place you are a creative director for Stadia on your Twitter and you say something extremely stupid, it reflex badly on the whole platform. does not matter that he's just a developer because a lot of other developers are calling him stupid as well. He has proven he is and the consumer and his damaged the brand he should be promptly fired and Google needs to come out and condemn him completely. If they don't stadia there truly will be dead in the water. Hell the fact that he misled the Twitter community with misleading information on his bio is proof that he should have been in trouble a long time ago.

Sheaffer117
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ViolentAct
Founder
Founder

@Sheaffer117 **bleep** straight. 

 

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ViolentAct
Founder
Founder

If you head to his Twitter he's literally STILL Arguing with people and making fun of streamers I'm 90% sure tommorow will be his last day at Stadia, a statement is not longer suitable.

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dasFloh
Founder
Founder

fire that idiot. it's okay to have that opinion, but leave this behind closed doors. I'm absolutely speechless! 

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Grovelhog
Founder
Founder

As far as I can make out, game streaming exists in a bit of a grey area. Publishers and Devs obviously benefit from it otherwise they wouldn't toss out promotional freebies or brag about stream views for their games, so you can't even call it turning a blind eye.

The streamer acts as a self employed community manager in a way, so they should have a solid protection.

So yes, I do think streaming should be explicitly permitted in a license, because then the streamers are protected in case of idiot moves by the publisher. Whether that license should be paid for separately or included in a standard EULA is above my pay grade, but I don't see how charging for it could work in any way.

 

But this is a monumental foot-in-mouth mistake for a platform that set out from the beginning to try and blur the lines between gamer, streamer and viewer.

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Whito
Stadia Player
Stadia Player

He is right. The video game industry has been for 50 years, streamers 5 years, also here they come to say that they give free publicity and help developers to sell their product and my question is ... what happens when it is the other way around and destroys the work of years From a developer, for example Anthem or the most recent one with Marvel Avengers or even Stadia, many Youtubers destroy it simply because they change YouTube policies and these people should be legally responsible for the things they say and for this they should be legally incorporated into the commercial registry.

I hope one day comes.

Honestly, only game youtubers or game streamers or those who pretend to be will be offended.

Here now Alex represents a company and by a personal opinion ppl want to be fired, you Youtubers / Streamers do not represent anyone and you can give your opinion freely.

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RobinGray
Founder
Founder

My main issue with your first argument @Whito is that you use two flawed games to illustrate your point. Like it or not Marvel Avengers is a repetitive slog, Anthem went through executive induced development hell and Stadia was far away from being ready to launch when it did. Even if streamers and youtubers were out of the question there would still be game journalists, twitter, reddit, etc spreading the word. As for the toxicity of the net and actual defamation and disinformation there needs to be more accountability for sure, and devs should be entitled to some royalties. What I'm most worried about is licensing being used as a tool to silence criticism or otherwise misrepresent games. Large game publishers already have a surprising amount of leverage over publications and their pr speech is enough of a headache as is, I would hate to see them have the legal rights to sell licences only to yes men.

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ELJBARR
Founder
Founder

We have worked so much to build this image of stadia only to be bismirched by someones opinion on developers piece of the poisoned pie. 

Sure your opinion is you own, but knowing he was on a platform that has its own trouble making a good impression, he deliberately dragged the Stadia name in the rocky acid filled mud. A persons own opinion became Stadia incarnate and spewed jibberish like a rabid man asking of water in an alien planet. We shoudnt fire him, but he shouldnt be in a position to represent Stadia directly or indirectly by association.

Find light in the darkness. It will be your path to a better life.
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noXi
Founder
Founder

He just doesn't understand twitch and the power influencers can have. There are multiple decisions from Stadia heads that I don't agree with, but his thoughts really define an image. Especially if he gets away with those tweets.

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Whito
Stadia Player
Stadia Player

Influencers have no power, only a legion of new generation followers who have completely lost social interaction and only interact through electronic devices and who pay for their comment or nickname to be featured on the channel of their idol, millions of comments that nobody reads.

They have simply replaced a presenter of a children's show or a circus clown and this is tremendously dangerous and I am not only talking about games here ... before very few people had influence in society, a teacher, your parents, friends, a writer, a musician, a journalist ... but people had their own personalities.

Today the youngest are confused, can you see the protagonist of immortal fenyx rising.

The way society interacts is changing very fast and social networks are distancing us from human contact and values ​​... where nothing has consequences and sensitivity is being lost.

This is extremely dangerous and must be changed.

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ViolentAct
Founder
Founder

@Whito shut up lol, your stupid. The proof is in the numbers. The reason videogames are so BIG now, and the reason Stadia exists is because of influencers, streams. New age, for a New generation that's it pal. Take your BS your spewing elsewhere, quit defending this **bleep**. Trust me if I ever meant you, I'd still social distance also would talk circles around your ass. Ironic that people with the least charisma and talking skills get on here with these ludicrous comments why, because you don't fit in? Alex Hutchinson is Wrong it's that simple. 

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monkeyofevil
Founder
Founder

I actually got a friend to make a Stadia account for the Mega Tunnel Battle demo from them seeing me stream it. Couple with the Cyberpunk news last week, and the Immortals demo this week, Stadia was starting to gain some positive buzz that unfortunately just got deflated a bit. 

I think Stadia will be fine in the long run, even Xbox managed to turn things around from the 2013 Xbox One launch, but this definitely set back public perception in the short term. 

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Nilas
Founder
Founder

Well I kind of understand what he's saying.

Imagine a streamer commenting movies live, his stream would be instantly locked. When popular music is being played they are cutting sound to not be caught by the copyright infringement. Why would the image of the game not be copyrighted the same way?

Some games sure are benefiting from streams but others aren't. I mean yes, if you watch a Bomberman stream you will still want to acquire and play the game. But if you watch a heavily narrative game such as Detroit become human or Inside with every spoil included, there is no way someone will want to play after that.

Don't forget some streamers are making tons of money on their channels to stream game content. There should be royalties at some point.

Like it or not, he has a point and he's in his rights to say it. To every people saying he should be fired : I hope you guys aren't religious. Where I live, a teacher got his head cut recently because he tried to say in a civic course that our laws allow freedom of speech and he showed pictures of Muhammad as an example of free speech.

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Nightcrow
Stadia Player
Stadia Player

In one way i do actually understand what he is saying ( but i think he misses the mark and it is a clumsy way of putting it )

But why should actually the gaming industry be different from the movie and music industry ?

When we do not permit  people "streaming" new movies for free online, why should actually then gaming be different ?
Do not developers/ producers/directors / actors have the same intellectual rights to their property ?

Having said that i do understand the viewpoint but personally i do not support it.


Stadia name Nightcrow#9757 :slightly_smiling_face:
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HyraxT
Stadia Player
Stadia Player

The difference is, if you stream a game, you are not allowing your viewers to play that game, so they are still missing what gaming basically is about. You are just teasing how much fun the viewers could have if they were playing the game themselves. When I watch someone streaming a videogame my thought usually is "cool, I have to try that out for myself".

If you stream music or a movie you are basically giving the viewers the whole value of this "product" for free.

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MisterMarcoo
Founder
Founder

To be fair though: I understand what he means. Especially big streamers can earn so much money with a game they might have bought once. BUT those streames usually also buy (or get ofc) a lot in-game stuff AND they are litterly promoting the game/brand/platform for you. So more games are sold and more in-game stuff might be purchased. I do believe it's a bit of win-win situation. 

However, this dude, he is thinking like Google. Stadia is from Google and Google is untouchable, and therefore Stadia is invicible. If this dude state he was a creative director at Playstation people might have thought "okay he's got a point". But now he is from Stadia (or a company owned by) and people are like "Who the f*k are you, you crazy dude?" It's all about context. 

Stadia needs to attend to this fire and really up their marketing game.

Roses are red, Gaming is fun. You are carrying too much, to be able to run!
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Matt1
Founder
Founder

I think he is right. The question of whether or not the games industry should or would enforce it is different. I can’t go to a football match and live stream me watching it for example...unless I pay a licence to be the broadcaster. Ultimately if people are making money streaming then the developers who actually make the games are going to want their slice of that pie...

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Michele
Founder
Founder

Yes you can livestream yourself watching a match, as long as you don't show the match itself. YouTube is full of reactions to matches, because it is prohibited to livestream the match.

There is no written prohibition to livestream a videogame though, and everything that's not prohibited, is allowed. 

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Matt1
Founder
Founder

That’s exactly my point with football matches, yes. Are you sure with computer games? I mean have you actually read the T&Cs that flash up and you accept with a game? I haven’t, so I can’t claim to know, but I would be amazed if there wasn’t such a clause that effectively made it impossible to stream without licence...just never enforced.

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Whito
Stadia Player
Stadia Player

Xbox has shut down Mixer.

Streams on Steam are not popular.

YouTube has channels with a wide variety of topics, if you didn't have games you would still be fine.

Twitch is free with Prime.

Facebook idk who uses facebook?

To access a store or buy an item that is not intended for your age range, you are prohibited from accessing ... internet is different without parental control you have access to everything and the responsibility falls on the parents, no one company is responsible.

Streamers are not trained or prepared to reach the masses and need to be legally regulated in the commercial register pay a license and taxes.

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Whito
Stadia Player
Stadia Player

@RobinGray 

I agree with MA and Anthem, but without that social pressure, surely the projects would have taken another course ... I have simply used them as an example as they are large blockbusters indiscriminately attacked that has really affected the work and lives of employees of the developers.

Streamers and influencers are already being used by corporations anyway.

The criticism is good and always necessary, the accusations are not, these must be supported by evidence and as I say Streamers (famous) the others are only dreamers or do not have a real job they do not represent anyone, not even themselves, so they can release trash without consequences

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Schauschau
Founder
Founder

Its very simple - now we know why there is no Youtube connection 🤷‍:male_sign:

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ChrisFromGoogle
Community Specialist
Community Specialist

Hey folks, in case you missed our statement, take a look: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/jgw4gg/icymi_statement_from_a_google_spokesperson/

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Streamer
Stadia Player
Stadia Player

Thank you, @ChrisFromGoogle 

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ELJBARR
Founder
Founder

Thanks Chris. Just when we had something good going, weve got leadership that say crazy stuff.

Find light in the darkness. It will be your path to a better life.
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