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Dratster
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How to be more responsive: Offer Beta version

I am loving the Stadia gaming experience in general, I think Google have done wonders with the technology to give a lag free experience when playing a game on a server.

However, what dents this is the consumer experience in terms of communications, with a very low level of updates from Google, and a lack of information in the updates we get.  What we want to know is that the issues we see, and the features we want, ARE being worked on.  Consumer perception is everything.

Other companies tackle this using a Beta channel.  This has two purposes, it gives visibility of what fixes/features are being worked on, it allows consumers to test those fixes and preview features, and it gives a great way for Google to test things in the wild without risking the stable channel. For the Chrome version of stadia this would be as simple as having a beta link at the top of the landing page, so users could easily switch between stable and beta. For the App, well the play store has beta capability built in!

What I would love to have visibility on, and would love to test, or in for the first one know if google are even working on it:

  • Fixes for the lag some people see when playing through Chrome (my Del 11 3120 chromebook is too laggy to play, I am considering getting a chromebox but I am worried I might get one that doesn't work that well with Stadia)
  • The ability to play on my non Pixel phone
  • The ability to use the controller in wireless mode when playing through chrome/phone
  • 4K through Chrome

Honestly, so much of the moaning I read about Stadia is about lack of updates and communication, that should be simpler to remedy than any technical problems!

This is meant to be a positive post btw, I am a massive supporter of Stadia, and would love to see it executed even better!

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Xevioso
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Re: How to be more responsive: Offer Beta version

I understood your point @Dratster , but I disagree. First of all, opening a beta channel is no small effort in itself. This is not the time to devote resources to that. Much if the communication people claim is missing is because the developers drive game announcements. Google has addressed that. 

But now is not the time for Google to devote valuable resource to a beta channel. They are trying to get the service up and running and ready to open the main product to the public in both the free and subscription versions. They need to devote every resource to doing that. If they really get worried about these communication complaints, the way to solve that is to simply step up communications. Obviously they're not worried about that.

As @ARGAH said, Stadia isn't going anywhere. Google has deals in place and continues to make long term deals related to the service. They wouldn't be doing that if they were worried at all about the service folding, and companies wouldn't be making deals with Google if they thought that either. The only people who are worried about Stadia are the people who are impatient and don't realize just how young this service is and how much it is going to grow. I'll put my money on Google making this work for as long as they want it to work.

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matzy
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Re: How to be more responsive: Offer Beta version

A number of other companies offer opt-in to beta releases for those willing to accept the bugs and issues that may arise.  I seem to recall Apple do this with their iOS because I remember having an early release of a recent iOS update.

I just wonder whether two problems Google may have doing this would be the stability of Stadia betas and the infancy of the tech?  It may be just that little too "rough around the edges" to warrant a public beta opt-in perhaps?  Its not like Google have a decade of past experience with the tech/software etc. to rely upon.

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Mad_Dog_Bravo Stadia Guide
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Re: How to be more responsive: Offer Beta version

@matzy : Apple do this if you have subscribed to their developer program.  I'm not aware of any other method to get access to early release iOS versions, but its been a while since I last had my Apple developer license running so things may have changed.

Microsoft offer a sort of program with their office products and Win10 where you can get stuff from a stable release branch or a more bleeding edge one, Docker offers something similar and some companies may even go so far as giving access to a daily build etc.

But I've never seen a console do this, the closest that you might get was with the a development version of which some have been an utter nightmare (PS2 and PS3), and some have been really well executed (Xbox 360).  But I've not seen a public beta channel setup for a console yet, and I'd be surprised if Google would even entertain the thought.  

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Whito
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Re: How to be more responsive: Offer Beta version

 

 

Uncle Phil already stated that there was no time for testing and that if Stadia worked in the US with the worst infrastructure in the world, it could do so in the rest of the countries, and investors had to be paid soon. The customer is not a priority.

 

Then Stadia must first pay investors and then grow and expand with Chromecast sales, controllers, chromebooks, pixel phones and subscriptions and game sales. This will be a slow process during the year. No one here with marketing or business knowledge ... you have to be pragmatic

 

One of the main doubts of the future users of Google Stadia is if the streaming game service will be able to offer with its connection a good quality and the minimum latency that allows to play without problems. However, Phil Harrison, project manager, has confirmed that there will not be a beta before its launch. Project Stream - the prototype of Google Stadia - was launched last year and allowed a limited number of users to try Assassin's Creed Odyssey directly in the Chrome browser.

 

About Stadia "it is a pity that we only tested Project Stream in the United States, and still it was a relatively small number of players, but you have experienced it and you know it works." On the possibility of doing a test with Stadia in other territories, Harrison comments that "the United States is the most complex place because of the size of the country.

 

In Europe, and in particular the United Kingdom, they are closer - among themselves - it is easier to launch. So we won't do another test in the UK or Europe. If we had time, probably, but it’s not necessary. On these deadlines, he mentions that the United States began preparations for its data centers before Europe.

 

 

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Whito
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Re: How to be more responsive: Offer Beta version

Oh I see that censorship starts working in this forum. It seems that my money is welcome but my opinions are not You can also delete this post by spam. continue on that path and my creditcard will go somewhere else

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Whito
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Re: How to be more responsive: Offer Beta version

At the moment this is my last publication in any social media of Stadia

 

Bye and good luck

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Dratster
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Re: How to be more responsive: Offer Beta version

stadia isn't a console, so I wouldn't compare a beta on stadia to a beta on the Xbox!

Anyway, this forum seems quite hostile. Sorry if I have a contrary view.

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Mad_Dog_Bravo Stadia Guide
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Re: How to be more responsive: Offer Beta version

@Dratster : Everyone is entitled to their view.  In this topic there is no right or wrong answer.  Ultimately, it is up to the decision makers within Google to decide what or what not to do.

I only made the reference about the consoles because the Stadia pricing of games is more in line with console prices than PC/Steam pricing.  From my perspective I consider Stadia to be more of a console platform albeit without the actual console, but by the same token it could be called a PC in the cloud or a cloud gaming service or whatever, it doesn't really matter. 

But that shouldn't make you feel that you can't speak up about things that matter to you, you absolutely should!  By the same token, if you feel that you are receiving hostile messages then please flag them, the admins do review them to see if terms of service are breached etc., I certainly don't hesitate to flag anything that I think is out of order, thankfully I don't get to do that very often, but I have done it on occasion.

 

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Xevioso
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Re: How to be more responsive: Offer Beta version

Who was hostile? I'm not sure what was possibly deleted, so maybe I missed something. But I didn't see any hostile posts here. I'm usually the hostile one! But I'm behaving much better these last few days, lol. 

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