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Andris
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LAN + Wireless + Chromecast Ultra not playing nicely

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I need some advice on my home network. I'm complete novice to networking, please bear with me. I have fiber, line comes in to the wall panel where it has a board that has 4 different ethernet plugs available that the internet can be distributed to sockets in the walls. I placed a TP-Link gigabit switch between the incoming fiber and that board and from the switch have two lines going out to that distribution board that goes to two different ethernet sockets in the room. First socket I use to connect Apple Airport Extreme which becomes my wireless network. The second socket on the opposite side of the room goes to the Chromecast Ultra. Initially I set up Chromecast Ultra through wireless network. When the Chromecast Ultra is plugged in to the ethernet I'm not able to start Stadia. Also the CCU is not showing up in the Google Home app. I'm assuming that this happens because Chromecast Ultra technically is not on the same level as my wireless network? Is there a configuration of my network that would enable CCU to be seen by my wireless network?
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BinaryJay
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Yes, it would.  However I wouldn't recommend an Edgerouter X for you.  Just about any regular consumer router you'll find on a shelf at Best Buy would do but I think it would be worth it for you to look into just dumping the Airport and replacing your whole system with Nest Wifi.

 

Alternatively do it in reverse, move the airport you already have working and then add another device/router in AP mode to where you currently have the airport.

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BinaryJay
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It sounds like your CC Ultra is not online at all how you have it hooked up but I can't give any advice based on your description of the network. Maybe some pictures would help.
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Andris
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@BinaryJay  Here is a diagram. I know that wall socket 2 gets internet because when I move Airport Extreme and plug it in there my wifi works and if i use one of the lan ports from it to connect ethernet to CCU then it shows up in Google Home app and stadia works. However I wish to keep my wireless router in the wall socket 1

 

EDIT: Forgot to add diagram https://imgur.com/a/79OxClo

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BinaryJay
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I'm not familiar with webpass but it sounds a little different from my research from typical.  They say you don't need a router but I'm a little confused about how it can do IPv4 NAT without one - who knows, maybe it works somehow.

Can I have you try something (or let me know if you already have).

Take your Airport out of the picture as well as your distribution panel (I assume it's a standard ethernet patch panel and doesn't do any switching?), connect only the Chromecast to one port of your switch and a laptop/PC via ethernet to another switch.  Disconnect everything else from the switch.

Does your laptop get an internal IP address?  Can you see the Chromecast? I'm guessing not but like I said I don't quite understand how this webpass service works.  I'm guessing you need a router in place BEFORE your switch.

WebPass -> Airport Extreme -> Switch -> Patch Panel -> Wall Port -> ChromeCast (CC would go anywhere after your router, in the case the airport).

 

I suspect WebPass is assigning a public IP address to each client connected directly to it, anything downstream of your AIrport is getting assigned an internal IP address including any wired or wireless clients.  Anything you plug into your switch the way you have it now is probably "online" but you can't see your chromecast because according to your wifi clients it is NOT on the same network, it is on the public internet only.

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Andris
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I'm not able to connect my laptop directly to that board because the laptop does not have an ethernet port. None of the computers I own have an ethernet port :disappointed_face: 

Attaching the image of the board where the internet comes in. Port with label 1 is where the internet comes in, that I have connected to the TP-Link switch. Ports with label 2 and 3 go to the wall sockets and are connected to TP-Link switch. 

https://imgur.com/a/8UN1Zku

@BinaryJay the last paragraph in you previous message is probably what's happening. I was wondering if there is any way around this, maybe some configuration I need to do to TP-Link or Airport Extreme but besides plugging some wires my networking knowledge is almost nonexistent. 

Based on my research the switch I used is unmanaged so it does not get its own IP address.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A128S24/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If I had a Managed switch would that make things different?

https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-5-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet-Managed/dp/B07PJ7XZ7X/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1VTDQOK...

 

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eldinz
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Hello, I’m a developer.

This what you need to have internet

1-Modem

2-Router

3-Chromecast or any other Devices

Apple AirPort Extreme it’s only Router, and didn’t support very high speed.

you can try connect your Chromecast by Ethernet cable from Apple AirPort Extreme to make sure you get best speed.

some internet providers they will give you the modem and router in one device.

but if you are looking for High speed Internet like what I have 1000mbps you need to get your own hardware and don’t get something cheap. 
my Chromecast Stadia running Amazing because I have very high speed internet plus I use Ethernet cable too, so I can have the best connection all the time

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Andris
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@eldinz I don't need a modem. Unless there is some sort of modem somewhere in the basement of my apartment building where I do not have any access. My internet connection just comes out of port 1 in https://imgur.com/a/8UN1Zku

This kind of setup is definitely different from what most people have the one you described.

AirPort Extreme might not be the latest and the greatest but it's definitely enough to run Stadia where max I need is 35Mbps. I constantly get 90s/90s. Thats plenty and with overhead.

https://support.apple.com/kb/sp680?locale=en_US

The issue I'm trying to solve here is my LAN.

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BinaryJay
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@Andris The last picture you posted is something called a patch panel.  It's only job is to take ethernet cables with bare wires (not terminated with a plug) and to create a jack for patch cables.  It doesn't do anything else other than complete a circuit so none of the other ports you see on it talk to any of the other ones.

What are the three cables leaving your patch panel (the ones that plug in). From the looks of it you should have three wall jacks leading to the panel. Are each of the cables plugged into the panel plugged into the switch?  I still believe your problem is that your airport device is handing out internal IPs (doing DHCP) which is essentially creating two networks... one network is the one directly from your service provider and the other is the internal network created by your router.

I believe you need to reorder your devices so that your internet service goes into your router and then ports from your router go into your patch panel which then go to your wall jacks, you probably don't even need the switch for the amount of ports you're using.  A managed switch won't make a difference in your situation, you don't need to worry about that.  The important thing here is you need to have everything downstream of your router in your network in your situation.

One way to test this out without your having to really move anything around other than your CC is to just plug the chromecast into a free port of your airport and then wait a bit for it to get online and check if it is now visible in your network.  If it is, putting your router in the place you currently have your switch should fix your issues.

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Andris
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@BinaryJay Yes, all three cables from the patch panel currently go into the switch. Number 1 is where the internet signal comes out from so that supplies it to the switch, nr 2 and 3 go to two different ethernet wall sockets. Before I put the switch there nr 1 and nr 2 were simply connected with a 1ft ethernet cable.

And you are correct, when I plugged the CCU in to the  Airport Extreme ethernet port they all worked well together. However that would require me to keep the Airport Extreme in the undesired location in my living room, that is why I was trying to find a workaround to this, but I guess that will not be possible.

Your other suggestion also would work to put Airport Extreme instead of the switch, except that patch panel is located upstairs in my bedroom closet (weird location, who knows why it's there). The Airport Extreme would not even fin inside the wall panel.

So I guess I'm out of options? Or I just have to sacrifice to put AirPort extreme in the location next to my TV :disappointed_face: 

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BinaryJay
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You can move/extend your wifi coverage by putting an additional router in AP mode elsewhere, or by buying and using an AP like a Ubiquiti UniFi access point in a better location while keeping your router hidden elsewhere but either way you'll need to hook up other wired equipment downstream of your router.

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Andris
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@BinaryJay  Pardon my lack of knowledge here, but would replacing the gigabit switch in the diagram with a gigabit router (https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-EdgeRouter-Advanced-Gigabit-Ethernet/dp/B00YFJT29C?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_...) and then using Ariport extreme as access point? Would that solve my current issue?

Though I'm not sure if I have enough knowledge to configure it properly and securely.

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BinaryJay
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Yes, it would.  However I wouldn't recommend an Edgerouter X for you.  Just about any regular consumer router you'll find on a shelf at Best Buy would do but I think it would be worth it for you to look into just dumping the Airport and replacing your whole system with Nest Wifi.

 

Alternatively do it in reverse, move the airport you already have working and then add another device/router in AP mode to where you currently have the airport.

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Andris
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@BinaryJay  The main issue with starting off with wifi router is the location of the panel (in the closet of my upstairs bedroom) and the fact that it can only accommodate something that is not thicker than 3 inches (depth of the wall panel). Unfortunately Nest Wifi is 3.5 at its thinest dimension :disappointed_face: 

That's why I was thinking having just a router in the panel which would make wall sockets on the same network and then one of the wall sockets is used for WiFi access point and the other goes straight in to the Chromecast.

What are the main advantages of Nest WiFi over AirPort Extreme (gen 6) besides that its few years older and bigger in size?

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